Fujin's team 2

Fujin-kun wrote:but at least,it protects my non-Rock/Ground/Steel from the damage of Sandstorm..doesn't it?

No, it doesn't, that's what I'm saying. The ability only works when Golduck is out.

It'll protect Golduck while he's out, if that's what you're asking....but if you switch out Golduck then the Sandstorm effects come back.

It works just like Rayquaza's ability, in case you are familiar with Air Lock.

They should have a pokemon with the Ability to get rid of weather >_>

Casform should absorb it, which should get rid of it AND power it up at the same time.

Tobi wrote:Casform should absorb it, which should get rid of it AND power it up at the same time.

Castform doesn't have a Sandstorm form.

He should.

But, I'm just saying when his ability SHOULD be.

Tobi wrote:He should.

But, I'm just saying when his ability SHOULD be.

Sadly, doesn't work that way... No Sandstorm form, which is sorta lame, but there are better Pokemon for that, anyway... Like Magic Guard Clefable.

I've just my team.Here are the members:

-Glaceon
-Aerodactyl
-Kingdra
-Dusknoir
-T-tar
-Golduck

Is this better?

What nature is recommended for a Kingdra and a Golduck ?

Fujin-kun wrote:What nature is recommended for a Kingdra and a Golduck ?

You can't really just ask for the immediately superior nature for any given Pokemon, because they can pretty much all run several different effective sets that run different natures... For instance, Golduck will GENERALLY be seen running a Timid nature, but often runs a Jolly or Adamant one for a physical set, because it gets moves like Aqua Jet and Cross Chop. The nature and entire set depends on what you want that Pokemon to do for your team.

You've got a pretty big Electric weakness here, and Fighting... Y'know, it'd be much easier if you just put up the entire team, meaning, their sets and such. Also, I'm curious as to why you're leading with GLACEON and not AERODACTYL...

Aerodactyl @Focus Sash
-Taunt
-Stone Edge
-Earthquake
-Stealth Rock
Pressure, Jolly
252 Atk, 252 Spd, 6 HP

Standard lead.

Magneton @Choice Scarf
-Thunderbolt
-Hidden Power Fire/Ground
-Flash Cannon
-Signal Beam
Magnet Pull, Modest/Timid
252 Sp.Atk, 252 Spd, 6 HP

Yes, Magneton. It's not quite as strong as Magnezone, but it Scarfs better, and resists BoltBeam. Flash Cannon's there for STAB, Signal Beam's a filler that helps coverage. HP Fire helps handle Grass types and other Steel types, but HP Ground helps against Fire, Electric, and Steel types. Ice is always a (popular) option to help cover Ground types, but unless they've already taken damage, it won't likely OHKO, and it's predictable. Keep in mind, however, that T-Bolt is stronger than Hidden Power in most scenarios- HP Fire is only ever superior to T-Bolt when up against, say, a Grass type that RESISTS T-Bolt.

Dusknoir @Leftovers
-Will-o-Wisp
-Pain Split
-Shadow Sneak/Ice Punch
-Fire Punch
Pressure, Impish
228 HP, 252 Def, 28 Sp.Def

Immune to Fighting attacks against Magnezone, big Def to help against EQs and such... Just a tank.

Kingdra @Leftovers
-Dragon Dance
-Outrage
-Waterfall
-Ice Beam/Yawn/Substitute
Sniper, ???
???

Ask Sami about the nature and EV spread- she apparently runs a BULKY Kingdra that rocks. I wouldn't know, I've only ever heard about it. Anyway, this'll help against Fire attacks aimed at Magneton, and just generally takes hits like a champ... DD up, go crazy. Outrage is stupid, but effective. :\

Tyranitar @Expert Belt
-Stone Edge
-Crunch
-Fire Blast
-Ice Beam
Sandstream, Brave
252 Atk, 232 Sp.Atk, 24 Sp.Def

I pulled a Smogon set out of my ass because I don't deal with T-Tar much, so I dunno what kind of sets are most effective, really... Wallbreaker. The way the rest of the team is organized, Sandstream shouldn't hurt you much, if any at all... Dusknoir helps against Fighting attacks, Aero against Ground, Magneton against Grass, Kingdra against Water... This thing's pretty safe, assuming you play the team well.

Bronzong @Leftovers
-Calm Mind
-Hypnosis
-Psychic
-Signal Beam
Levitate, Bold
244 HP, 128 Def, 128 Sp.Atk

Not a Smogon set, but just pulled it out of my ass. I figured the team needed another dedicated Sp.Sweeper, so here we've got a Calm Mind Bronzong that can fill in for Aero's ability to ignore Ground attacks once it goes down, which would otherwise be troublesome to the team. Hypnosis lets you shut down whatvever's using EQ to make it that much less threatening, at which point you Calm Mind up, and sweep. Steel types wall you pretty well, though... But, that's why you switch. ^^

=O

I think that Sami's Bulky Kingdra ran something with Rain Dance, though....or maybe it was on a Rain Dance team....

On a side note, Castform's Weather Ball does change with Sandstorm, so I don't know why it doesn't have a Sandstorm form >_>

Ninja wrote:I think that Sami's Bulky Kingdra ran something with Rain Dance, though....or maybe it was on a Rain Dance team....

On a side note, Castform's Weather Ball does change with Sandstorm, so I don't know why it doesn't have a Sandstorm form >_>

Cause Weather Ball isn't Forecast, it's just a move that changes to whatever type the Weather is- also, Forecast is Castform-exclusive, Weather Ball is not.

Whether it's Rain Dance or Dragon Dance, the bulky set would work, since the idea is to be bulky enough to set up easily before sweeping.

I've tried a lot of different Kingdra sets but here are my current favorites:

This one is meant for a NON-Rain Dance team and is the modified/finished version of my original "bulky Kingdra" I've been using for quite some time...

Kingdra w/Chesto Berry
Adamant, Sniper

-Dragon Dance
-Rest
-Waterfall
-Outrage

252 HP/16 Atk/42 Def/42 Sp.Def/156 Spd

The idea is to use your general bulkiness to get in as many Dragon Dances as possible. When you get low on health, use the Rest/Chesto combo to completely recover and begin your sweep. Waterfall is the main move, but Outrage should be selected late game when you know you won't be punished for using it. Sniper means that critical hits will kill basically everything.

This one is meant for a RAIN DANCE team in which something BESIDES Kingdra sets up the rain...

Kingdra w/Life Orb
Naughty, Swift Swim

-Dragon Dance
-Draco Meteor
-Waterfall
-Outrage

252 Atk/252 Spd/6 Sp.Atk

This is usually something meant to be sent out late-game, often after a different Pokemon of yours has fainted. Rain should be up, and then even after one Dragon Dance, it's not that hard to sweep. Draco Meteor is for Pokemon that have really good defense but poor special defense, or if you need to defeat/finish off something without getting stuck in Outrage but can't kill it with Waterfall (this tended to happen against bulky waters and dragons).

And finally, here's my older Bulky Rain Dance Kingdra, who actually does set up the rain...

Kingdra w/Leftovers or Damp Rock
Modest, Swift Swim

-Rain Dance
-Draco Meteor
-Hydro Pump/Surf
-Ice Beam/Hidden Power Electric

252 Sp.Atk/240 HP/16 Spd

This guy is often better in early/mid game, as compared to the ones above. It deals nice chunks of damage, but can rarely pull off a total sweep in the current metagame (or so I'd assume). It's also walled by Blissey. Anyways, this guy takes hits extremely well and switches in easily. After a Rain Dance, he's not only fast but has a powered up Hydro Pump (or Surf) attack. Draco Meteor deals nice amounts of damage to almost anything and is good for denting bulky waters. The last slot is just an extra move for coverage and depends on your needs.

And finally, mixed Kingdra, which is a Smogon set I've had good success with...

Kingdra w/Life Orb
Naughty, Swift Swim

-Rain Dance
-Waterfall
-Hydro Pump/Surf
-Draco Meteor

252 Atk/240 Sp.Atk/16 Spd

This thing is a great wall breaker and now you could even try Outrage over one of the moves (I was using this before Platinum came out).

So yeah, those are some ideas. Pick the one that best fits your team =).

Be warned; If it gets paralyzed shit will fly.

That's the only way I could kill it.

Tobi wrote:Be warned; If it gets paralyzed shit will fly.

That's the only way I could kill it.

My latest set, the top one, fixes that problem by having Rest ^__^.

I know, I was talking more about the later ones.

I miss Ice beam.

What if I replace Kingdra and Golduck by Lanturn and Shiftry?Would it be better?

Kingdra is a much better pokemon, so I think you should keep it.

I myself like Shiftry.

Oh man!I can't put Shiftry on my team!If I do,my team will have a weakness against Fighting type(Glaceon,T-tar and Shiftry are all weak against Fighting).I think I should put Egxecutor(Sorry if the spelling is bad)

Fujin-kun wrote:What if I replace Kingdra and Golduck by Lanturn and Shiftry?Would it be better?

Probably not. Lanturn takes hits better than Magneton, but isn't as quick, and has less damage potential.

Also, go with the team I just put up... It's better.

Glaceon, booooo.

Fujin-kun wrote:Oh man!I can't put Shiftry on my team!If I do,my team will have a weakness against Fighting type(Glaceon,T-tar and Shiftry are all weak against Fighting).I think I should put Egxecutor(Sorry if the spelling is bad)

Yes, but thats why you have a ghost type, who knows psychic type moves.

Or, get a fast flying type.

Tobi wrote:

Fujin-kun wrote:Oh man!I can't put Shiftry on my team!If I do,my team will have a weakness against Fighting type(Glaceon,T-tar and Shiftry are all weak against Fighting).I think I should put Egxecutor(Sorry if the spelling is bad)

Yes, but thats why you have a ghost type, who knows psychic type moves.

Or, get a fast flying type.

Most Flying types are weak defensively, and are part Normal, and what happens if that Ghost goes down early, hmm? Dusknoir's not as bulky as people like to think, and a lot of Fighting types like to pack Dark or Ghost attacks to take care of Ghosts. Machamp often has Payback, Gallade's got Shadow Sneak, Lucario packs Crunch, etc...

A Exeggutor covers the Fighting weakness,doesn't it?

Lucario has crunch?

It's got a tiny mouth..

My Machamp doesn't know payback....

Ah, Go with shine. It's better anyway.

(2 Ghosts?)

Fujin-kun wrote:A Exeggutor covers the Fighting weakness,doesn't it?

Payback, Crunch, Fire Punch, Ice Punch...

Ok...I have rebuilt my team compleately
here are the pokemon of that team

1-Glaceon
2-Aerodactyl
3-Kabutops
4-Magmortar
5-Gengar
6-Tropius