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    Post by Guest Tue Jul 01, 2008 8:00 pm

    As the titles say im trying a new team...lol

    Probopass@Chesto Berry
    Careful Nature(-Speed +Sp.Def)
    EV's 255 Def 255 Sp. Def
    Sturdy
    Block
    ThunderWave
    Earth Power
    Rest

    Aerodactyl@Choice Band
    Adamant Nature(-Sp. Attk +Attk)
    EV's 255 Attack 255 Speed
    Rock Head
    EarthQuake
    Stone Edge
    -------------(maybe Iron Head)
    Aerial Ace

    Torterra@Leftovers
    Adamant Nature(-Sp. Attk +Attk)
    EV's 255 Attack 255 Speed
    Overgrow
    Wood Hammer
    EarthQuake
    Crunch
    Stone Edge

    Toxicroak@Choice Scarf
    Adamant Nature(-Sp. Attk +Attk)
    EV's 255 Attack 255 Speed
    Anticipation
    X-Scissor
    Brick Break
    EarthQuake
    Stone Edge

    Floatzel@Focus Sash
    Modest Nature(-Attk +Sp. Attk)
    EV's 255 Sp. Attk 255 Speed
    Swift Swim
    Ice Beam
    Surf
    Hyper Beam
    Focus Blast

    Bronzong@Occa Berry
    Adamant Nature(-Sp. Attk +Attk)
    EV's 255 Def 255 Sp. Def
    Levitate
    Gyro Ball
    Sleep Talk
    Block
    Rest


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    Post by Sasami Tue Jul 01, 2008 8:09 pm

    I don't really have time to rate this team right now but Double Team is a banned move, just so you know. I would give him an actual attack in it's place.
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    Post by Tobi Wed Jul 02, 2008 11:03 am

    xXSpeed HunterXx wrote:As the titles say im trying a new team...lol

    Probopass@Chesto Berry
    Careful Nature(-Speed +Sp.Def)
    EV's 200 Def 200 Sp. Def 110 HP
    Magnet Pull
    Explosion
    ThunderWave
    Earth Power
    Rest

    Aerodactyl@Choice Band
    Adamant Nature(-Sp. Attk +Attk)
    EV's 255 Attack 255 Speed
    Rock Head
    EarthQuake
    Stone Edge
    Ice Fang
    Fire Fang

    Torterra@Leftovers
    Impish
    EV's 212 HP / 252 Def / 44 Spe
    Overgrow
    Wood Hammer
    EarthQuake
    Leech Seed
    Stealth Rock


    Toxicroak@Choice Scarf
    Jolly Nature
    EV's 252 Atk / 6 Def / 252 Spe
    Anticipation
    Sword Dance
    Poisen Jab
    EarthQuake
    Sucker Puncher

    Floatzel@Focus Sash
    Modest Nature(-Attk +Sp. Attk)
    EV's 255 Sp. Attk 255 Speed
    Swift Swim
    Ice Beam
    Surf
    Rain Dance
    Focus Blast

    Bronzong@Chesto Berry
    Adamant Nature(-Sp. Attk +Attk)
    EV's 255 Def 255 Sp. Def
    Heatproof
    Gyro Ball
    Stealth Rock
    Toxic

    Rest

    Ok, just going with you keeping all of these pokemon, i've made what i think you should do in RED!
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    Post by Guest Wed Jul 02, 2008 12:59 pm

    ok ill try that....
    BUT!.....
    Bronzong with levitate would have only 1 weakness and with the occa berry it halves the fire dmg leaving them wide open....
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    Post by KOkingpin Wed Jul 02, 2008 1:32 pm

    dont listen to pakri about Bronzong EQ is much more devastating than most fire move to Him stick with levitate. you also dont take DMG from Spikes
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    Post by Tobi Wed Jul 02, 2008 1:39 pm

    Fine, but i still think that fire can do much more, or, at least it has done more to me.

    Also, that way gravaty doesn't kick you in the ass.
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    Post by Shine Wed Jul 02, 2008 3:33 pm

    Tobi actually fixed most all the problems, really, but I do have my own revisions. I'll go from the top of the list down.

    Probopass: Probopass doesn't have enough HP to invest EVERYTHING in Def and Sp.Def if you ask me. I would make Probopass a PHYSICAL wall. Max out HP and Def. Tobi's got the right idea in giving it Magnet Pull to trap Steel types, and I would personally give it T-Bolt in place of Block to take care of Skarmory. As for nature, if you're going with Earth Power, you shouldn't be using a Careful nature in the first place because it kills your Sp.Atk. Go Bold (+Def/-Atk). In the end, this would be my build:

    Probopass @Chesto Berry
    -Rest
    -Thunderwave
    -Earthpower
    -Thunderbolt
    Magnet Pull, Bold
    252 HP, 252 Def, 6 Sp.Atk

    Aerodactyl: If you're going Choice Band, you may as well make it Jolly. Pressure is much better than Rock Head, considering none of your attacks give recoil. EQ and Stone Edge are a must, and Tobi's smart to use the Fangs, though. I would set it up just like Tobi's, only Jolly, and with Pressure. Also, my EV spread would be 252 Atk, 252 Spd, 6 HP. Very basic, very easy to do. One point of HP can actually make a huge difference sometimes.

    Aerodactyl @Choice Band
    -Earthquake
    -Stone Edge
    -Fire Fang
    -Ice Fang
    Pressure, Jolly
    252 Atk, 252 Spd, 6 HP

    Torterra: Actually, your Torterra COULD work, except for one thing; there's no reason to have those Spd EVs unless you're going to run Rock Polish, because even with those Spd EVs, he's too slow to outrun anything but a few slow walls, especially being Adamant instead of Jolly. If you max EVs, IVs, and run Rock Polish, though, one Rock Polish would bring you to a usable 422 Spd, then you could sweep. I can say, though, that Tobi's setup works well, too.

    Torterra @Leftovers
    -Rock Polish
    -Wood Hammer
    -Earthquake
    -Stone Edge
    Overgrow, Adamant
    252 Atk, 252 Spd, 6 HP

    Toxicroak: ALL of your physical sweepers so far have Earthquake and Stone Edge which is just unnecessary. Torterra needs Stone Edge for his Ice Weakness and gets STAB'd EQ, and Aero at least has STAB'd Stone Edge, but Toxicroak gets STAB on neither. Really, I would make Toxicroak SPECIAL based, because it's not quite as expected, though perfectly viable. 295 max Spd goes further than most people realize, and Toxicroak DOES get Nasty Plot, along with a STAB'd special based priority attack with good type coverage. Dry Skin benefits from Rain Dance and allows Toxicroak to switch into attacks like Surf and Waterfall quite happily.

    Toxicroak @Leftovers/Focus Sash
    -Substitute/Dark Pulse
    -Nasty Plot
    -Sludge Bomb
    -Vacuum Wave
    Dry Skin, Timid
    252 Sp.Atk, 252 Spd, 6 HP

    Floatzel: Floatzel is the second Pokemon I'd switch roles with. I would make Floatzel physical, because it's Atk is higher than its Sp.Atk, and it doesn't get a move like Nasty Plot to pump it's Sp.Atk, so it would be better off physical. Floatzel also has MANY options open to it. He can do just about anything, really. These are just a few of his options that I think could force a match into your favor. Rain Dance can boost your Spd and power, and helps along Dry Skin Toxicroak (though you don't really need it if you ask me).

    Floatzel @Focus Sash
    -Ice Fang
    -Aqua Jet/Rain Dance
    -Waterfall
    -Pursuit/Taunt/Roar
    Swift Swim, Jolly/Adamant (whatever floats your boat)
    252 Atk, 252 Spd, 6 HP

    Bronzong: Bronzong can be your Sp.Wall. Bronzong is another Pokemon with an obscene number of options open to it - it's quite frightening because you never know what exactly it's gonna do. I'm not a Bronzong fan myself, but I think that this should be a good setup, because Block is sort of a bad idea one most Pokemon... If you want to trap something, you may as well go with Dugtrio. With this Bronzong, you can cripple sweepers, and hit most things for neutral damage. A method of putting the target to sleep proves almost invaluable in any match, and Calm Mind boosts not only your resilience, but your damage output as well. Psychic can drop Sp.Def, and Flash Cannon can drop Sp.Atk, so they both help your cause. Iron Defense, on the other hand, can boost your survivability against attacks like Flare Blitz.

    Bronzong @Leftovers
    -Calm Mind
    -Psychic
    -Flash Cannon/Iron Defense
    -Hypnosis
    Levitate, Calm
    244 HP, 252 Sp.Def, 14 Def/Sp.Atk

    You have no GLARING weaknesses, but Probopass, Toreterra, and Bronzong share Fire (along with Dry Skin Toxicroak). Probopass and Aerodactyl share Water. Probopass and Toxicroak share Ground. Aerodactyl and Torterra share Ice... And I think that's it. Oh, Torterra and Toxicroak share Flying.

    Hope this was helpful to some degree!
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    Post by Tobi Wed Jul 02, 2008 3:52 pm

    TYou might want to go with shine on this, as 1- I hate walls, and try really hard to NOT use 'em.

    Also, you have ALOT of UU/BL pokemon, and shines rather good at using them.
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    Post by Zenith Wed Jul 02, 2008 3:55 pm

    Tobi wrote:TYou might want to go with shine on this, as 1- I hate walls, and try really hard to NOT use 'em.
    No wonder you're not very good XD
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    Post by Tobi Wed Jul 02, 2008 4:08 pm

    Hey, that doesn't mean i don't.

    I just have like, an entire team MADE of sweepers. with low def.

    Porygon Z, Zapdos, Moltras, Houndoom.

    They are 4 which get used alot.

    But, now i'm getting pokemon that have a nice attack, but alot have good def/SD.

    Like Machamp. Or Dusknoir.

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