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    Post by Tobi Tue Jun 10, 2008 11:41 am

    Ok, i almost beat Ko with this team, which is a first as most of the time he just crushes me.

    i added some stuff to stop baton passers, as i have just found out how good they really are.

    Houndoom @ Modest w/ focus sash
    eved to max in SA and speed
    Flash fire
    Dark Pulse,
    Taunt,
    Shadow ball,
    Will-o-wisp

    Shuckle @ sassy w/ chesto berry
    not eved yet
    sturdy
    Rest
    Stealth rock,
    toxic
    sandstorm

    Porygon-z @ Mild w/ shell bell
    eved to max in speed and SA
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    Trick room
    thunder
    ice beam
    recover

    Machamp @ Serious w/ fist plate
    eved to max in att and def
    no guard
    earthquake
    toxic
    dynamic punch
    stone edge

    Lucario @ naughty w/ black belt
    eved to max in att and half/ half with SA and speed
    steadfast
    roar
    stone edge
    aura sphere
    earthquake

    Zapdos @ timid w/ life orb
    eved to max in SA and speed
    pressure
    Drill peck
    thunder
    rain dance
    discharge


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    Post by Sasami Tue Jun 10, 2008 12:49 pm

    Before I help with movesets and such I'm going to point out some issues I see already with the team in general.

    You have two Pokemon weak to water and no one with a water resistance. Since moves like Surf are REALLY common, you want to fix this. You also don't have anyone that resists/is immune to electric but that's not as big of a deal as the water weakness.

    This team dies to fighting types. Three of your Pokemon are weak to fighting and you only have one resist. Something like Heracross could rip this team apart (Heracross has Stone Edge for Zapdos). Be really careful about that.

    Porygon-Z has too defensive of a moveset, he's actually a frail Pokemon. Not only that but he won't benefit from Trick Room very much. That moveset would work A LOT better on Porygon-2 since he actually has decent defenses. Try him out instead. If you want to keep Porygon-Z then consider just giving him attacking moves and changing his item to Choice Specs or a Choice Scarf.

    Houndoom @ Modest w/ focus sash
    eved to max in SA and speed
    Flash fire
    Dark Pulse,
    Flamethrower
    Shadow ball,
    Will-o-wisp

    Taunt is a good move but Houndoom is way too fragile to make use of it. Give him Flamethrower instead...a Houndoom without an attacking fire move is just sad :p. He has Flash Fire so make sure you can abuse it!

    Shuckle @ sassy w/ chesto berry
    not eved yet
    sturdy
    Rest
    Stealth rock,
    toxic
    Encore

    Shuckle is amazing in sandstorms but the rest of your team (besides Lucario) hates them. In fact, Houndoom's Focus Sash is pointless if Sandstorm is up. The other issue is that with Toxic and Sandstorm being your main way of damaging Pokemon, you lose to steel types. Encore will probably be more helpful since you can Encore non-damaging moves or moves that won't do much to another one of your Pokemon...letting you switch to them and set up. If you want to use Sandstorm, maybe switch your team around a little bit so more Pokemon benefit or at least don't die from it. Encore totally shuts down Baton Passers, too.

    Porygon-z @ Mild w/ Life Orb/Choice Scarf/Choice Specs
    eved to max in speed and SA
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    Tri-attack
    Thunderbolt
    ice beam
    Nasty Plot/Dark Pulse

    As I said above, Porygon-Z doesn't benefit from Trick Room and he's not defensive enough to make use of Recover. He shouldn't be taking hits in the first place. If you go with Nasty Plot (which makes his special attack insane) then go with Life Orb for another boost. If you go with Dark Pulse or another attacking move then try Choice Scarf or Choice Specs.

    Machamp @ Serious w/ Choice Band/Leftovers
    eved to max in att and HP
    no guard
    earthquake
    Payback
    dynamic punch
    stone edge

    Toxic seemed kind of random since Shuckle already has it. Payback is nice since ghost-types love to switch into Machamp. Fist plate is a bad item...maybe try Choice Band for insane attack or Leftovers for more survivability. By the way, consider moving his defense EVs to HP so he can actually take special hits too.

    Lucario @ naughty w/ black belt
    eved to max in att and half/ half with SA and speed
    steadfast
    Shadow Ball/Dragon Pulse
    stone edge
    Close Combat
    Extremespeed

    Roar is better off on someone who can take a hit. I don't have much experience with using a Mixed Lucario but you want Close Combat for Blissey and Extremespeed is just awesome (especially since you didn't give him as much speed). Shadow Ball and Dragon Pulse will help give you some better coverage.

    Zapdos @ timid w/ life orb
    eved to max in HP and defense
    pressure
    Drill peck
    Roost
    Roar
    discharge/Thunderbolt

    If you want to keep your team basically the same then maybe make Zapdos a bit more defensive to take care of fighting types. Since Roar is no longer on Lucario, why not give it to Zapdos? Rain Dance seems random to me as this team doesn't benefit much from it. You can keep Discharge since it has a high paralysis rate or you can use Thunderbolt for extra power. Roost lets you heal since this guy is more defensive.

    By the way, you would solve a lot of issues by trying out a defensive Dragonite instead of Zapdos. He'd give you a ground immunity and resistances to a lot of types including fighting and water. I know a defensive Dragonite sounds weird but he actually gets Roost, Toxic, Heal Bell, Light Screen, Safeguard, Thunder Wave, etc. And his attack is high enough that he can still deal damage.
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    Post by Tobi Tue Jun 10, 2008 1:16 pm

    Ok, well i gave all the toxic/will-o-wish/everything else for baton pass teams.

    As i now have her belt, thanks, i'm going to get rid of all of those moves, includeing tuant, as i hate all moves that don't do damage.

    Rain dance is to both get rid of sandstorm, and to make sure thuder always hits, as two of my team has the move thuder.

    What lv does it get tri-attack on? I'd love to have it. What should i ev shuckle in? Def/ S.D? Or go with hp?

    Where do you get all these Choice Specs, Choice Scarfs, and Choice Bands.
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    Post by Sasami Tue Jun 10, 2008 7:18 pm

    Tobi wrote:Ok, well i gave all the toxic/will-o-wish/everything else for baton pass teams.

    As i now have her belt, thanks, i'm going to get rid of all of those moves, includeing tuant, as i hate all moves that don't do damage.

    Rain dance is to both get rid of sandstorm, and to make sure thuder always hits, as two of my team has the move thuder.

    What lv does it get tri-attack on? I'd love to have it. What should i ev shuckle in? Def/ S.D? Or go with hp?

    Where do you get all these Choice Specs, Choice Scarfs, and Choice Bands.

    Well, I wouldn't recommend getting rid of ALL non-damage moves XD. Toxic is still awesome on Shuckle and you definitely want Roar on someone. Roar doesn't just help with Baton Passers, it gets rid of all stat boosts so it'll beat Pokemon like Calm Mind Suicune (as you might remember from our battle Smile ). When you use Roar, the Pokemon coming in will also take damage from the Stealth Rocks that Shuckle set up. Seems like a good move choice for your team, in all honesty.

    Rain Dance might only last a couple turns, though. And if Zapdos goes down, Porygon-Z might start missing because of the lack of rain. He really, really can't afford to miss like that as he's fragile.

    Porygon-Z gets Tri Attack at level 51 according to Serebii Smile. With Shuckle, the first thing you always want to do is max out HP. Then maybe split the rest between defense and special defense. If you're still going to use Sandstorm then it would probably be better to put more in defense since you'll get a special defense boost in the sand anyways.

    You can get Choice Specs in Celestic Town by talking to some guy in a shop (it could be another building but I'm 90% sure it's some sort of shop). You need to talk to him in the morning. Choice Band and Choice Scarf have to be bought with Battle Points from the Battle Tower.
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    Post by Tobi Tue Jun 10, 2008 11:04 pm

    51? dam, i really don't want to train him up that high....but i'll do it anyway.

    Sandstorm only lasts 5 turns, and my shuckle/Luc can last at LEAST that long.

    I hate battle points....most likely i'll just hack me 95 of everything.

    Good ol' AR, helped me many a time.

    If your done ev training, does useing a buntch of rare candys hurt your pokemonz stats?

    I'm thinking of givving porygon-z the thing that alrays lets him hit first, even if he can only use one move as long as he's out.
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    Post by Sasami Tue Jun 10, 2008 11:42 pm

    Tobi wrote:51? dam, i really don't want to train him up that high....but i'll do it anyway.

    Sandstorm only lasts 5 turns, and my shuckle/Luc can last at LEAST that long.

    I hate battle points....most likely i'll just hack me 95 of everything.

    Good ol' AR, helped me many a time.

    If your done ev training, does useing a buntch of rare candys hurt your pokemonz stats?

    I'm thinking of givving porygon-z the thing that alrays lets him hit first, even if he can only use one move as long as he's out.

    Using rare candies won't hurt their stats if they have all their EVs Smile.

    And that would be the Choice Scarf. It actually just raises his speed by A LOT, doesn't let them always go first. But either way, he'll be very speedy. Good item for him.
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    Post by Tobi Wed Jun 11, 2008 4:04 pm

    How many battle points?

    Ah, now time for some giood ol' hacking for shit.

    Thanks for the help.
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    Post by Sasami Wed Jun 11, 2008 7:32 pm

    Tobi wrote:How many battle points?

    Ah, now time for some giood ol' hacking for shit.

    Thanks for the help.

    I think it's 48 points.
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    Post by Tobi Thu Jun 12, 2008 1:05 pm

    Yep, good thing i have like 120 battle points from beating the crap outa other traines due to boredom.
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    Post by Zenith Fri Jun 13, 2008 6:37 am

    Your team has a Metang weakness.
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    Post by Tobi Fri Jun 13, 2008 9:49 am

    .....fuck it does, coz i took earthquake off my pokemon....i'll teach flamethower to porygon-z.

    Porygon is my best sweeper now. XD
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    Post by Zenith Fri Jun 13, 2008 6:47 pm

    Tobi wrote:.....fuck it does, coz i took earthquake off my pokemon....i'll teach flamethower to porygon-z.

    Porygon is my best sweeper now. XD
    *facepalm*
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    Post by Sasami Fri Jun 13, 2008 11:21 pm

    Tobi wrote:.....fuck it does, coz i took earthquake off my pokemon....i'll teach flamethower to porygon-z.

    Porygon is my best sweeper now. XD

    Uh...Parky? It was a joke...you don't have a Metang weakness...:p.

    It started on Smogon...and, oh, nevermind XD.
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    Post by Zenith Sat Jun 14, 2008 9:06 am

    Pakry is too dense to understand memes.

    Just like Profit.
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    Post by Tobi Sat Jun 14, 2008 6:05 pm

    ....i feel dumb now.

    But how do i know all of these memes. I don't waste my time look them up....fine, we know we do.

    Anyway, just hit me with a hammer. EVERYTHING works better after you hit it with a hammer.
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    Post by Zenith Sat Jun 14, 2008 6:05 pm

    /me hits Pakry with hammer

    /me remembers he's not in an IRC

    /me facepalms
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    Post by Tobi Sat Jun 14, 2008 6:09 pm

    whats an IRC?

    I know about seaking, mudkip, and facepalm. Thats it.

    TEACH ME!
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    Post by Zenith Sat Jun 14, 2008 6:39 pm

    God, you need to lurk moar!

    IRC = Internet Relay Chat (I think). It's a good kind of chat.
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    Post by Tobi Sat Jun 14, 2008 6:51 pm

    AH.

    LURK? I DON'T LURK!

    I sneek.

    Linky to what memes are?
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    Post by Zenith Sat Jun 14, 2008 10:30 pm

    Try using the Internet.

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