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    Post by Guest Sun Jul 27, 2008 9:49 pm

    ok heres my random team i threw together.

    Flareon@Lansat Berry
    Naive Nature
    EVs: 252 Atk 252 Spd 6 HP
    Flash Fire
    Flare Blitz
    Double Edge
    Yawn
    Wish

    Gliscor@Scope Lens
    Adamant Nature
    EVs: 252 Atk 252 Spd 6 HP
    Sand Veil
    EarthQuake
    Brick Break
    Aeiral Ace
    Stone Edge

    Aggron@Leftovers
    Hasty Nature
    EVs: none(emerald raised)
    Rock Head
    Rock Slide
    Brick Break
    Thunder Punch
    Dragon Claw

    Lucario@Bright Powder
    Modest Nature
    EVs: 252 SA 252 Spd 6 HP
    Steadfast
    Psychic
    Dragon Pulse
    Dark Pulse
    Aura Sphere

    Froslass@Expert Belt
    Timid Nature
    EVs: 252 SA 252 Spd 6 HP (I think i need to ask tobi lawls)
    Ice Body
    Thunder Bolt
    Ice Beam
    Psychic
    Shadow Ball

    Swellow@Flame orb
    Adamant Nature
    EVs: 252 Atk 252 Spd 6 HP
    Guts
    U-Turn
    Aeiral Ace
    Facade
    Roost

    and thats pretty much it.
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    Post by Shine Sun Jul 27, 2008 10:32 pm

    I'm too lazy to come up with the best EV spreads right now.

    Flareon @Leftovers
    -Wish
    -Sub
    -Flare Blitz
    -Shadow Ball
    Flash Fire, Naive
    252 HP, 108 Atk, 148 Sp.Atk (took a spread off Smogon and rearranged it some)

    Just hope that the opponent scouts, sets up, or switches first turn... Set up Wish or Sub, and sweep. Rinse and repeat.

    Gliscor @Leftovers
    -Taunt
    -Roost
    -Earthquake
    -Aerial Ace/Ice Fang
    Hyper Cutter, Impish
    252 HP, 252 Def, 6 Atk (You NEED a physical wall)

    Gliscor works best as a wall, really. Taunt keeps things from pumping stats and the likes, Roost keeps you healthy and reduces Ice damage, EQ and AA get STAB, and Ice Fang has good type coverage, along with that chance of Freezing or Flinch.

    Aggron @Leftovers
    -Sub
    -Focus Punch
    -Stone Edge
    -T-Wave
    Sturdy, Adamant
    252 HP, 252 Atk, 6 Spd

    Sub or T-Wave, vice-versa, sweep.

    Lucario @Leftovers/Salac Berry
    -Sub
    -Calm Mind
    -Aura Sphere
    -Dark Pulse
    Steadfast, Timid
    252 Sp.Atk, 252 Spd, 6 HP

    All the subs are starting to piss me off honestly, but so many Pokemon can Sub that they can't always expect it to happen... Sub against switch or status, get in a free Calm Mind or two, sweep.

    Froslass @Life Orb/Focus Sash/Choice Specs
    -T-Bolt
    -Shadow Ball
    -Ice Beam
    -Destiny Bond
    Snow Cloak, Timid
    252 Sp.Atk, 252 Spd, 6 HP

    Life Orb lets you use all your attacks with extra umph, Focus Sash gives you a little survivability if you don't think you can OHKO a target, and Specs swaps utility for power. When low, you can D-Bond to take something with you. w00t.

    Swellow @Flame Orb
    -U-Turn
    -Facade
    -Protect
    -Pursuit/Brave Bird
    Guts, Jolly
    252 Atk, 252 Spd, 6 HP

    Swellow needs SPD. Guts pumps it up enough. People like switching walls in on Swellow, so Pursuit lets you take care of them. Protect is pretty much a must considering Swellow's ability to survive, or lack thereof.

    Overall, I don't like the team much. There's no real teamwork, and you never considered a wall in the first place. Your item choices are flawed to a degree I never thought possible, and the Aggron needs to be completely rebred. Hope this helped. ^__^
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    Post by Tobi Mon Jul 28, 2008 3:25 pm

    XD

    But really, you took about half of this team from me.

    Meh, each of the pokemon aren't that bad, but at the same time they do nothing for each other.

    Unlike me, who has a box full of pokemon, in which i just grab them out, and wish for good luck.

    That, and i make sure that i have a super effective move on every type.
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    Post by Zenith Mon Jul 28, 2008 3:33 pm

    And hey, you stole the Skill Swap based team thing from me.

    BUT WE'LL ALL HAVE TO LIVE WITH IT
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    Post by Tobi Mon Jul 28, 2008 3:34 pm

    Meh, i wanted a way to use my Slaking for a while, and skill swap helped me with it.
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    Post by Shine Mon Jul 28, 2008 5:47 pm

    Tobi wrote:Meh, i wanted a way to use my Slaking for a while, and skill swap helped me with it.
    Well, with Truant, there's no reason not to use Giga Impact... With so much Atk and STAB, you may as well be using Explosion without the suicide... x_x;
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    Post by Tobi Mon Jul 28, 2008 6:20 pm

    Ah.

    I'n not going to forget that.
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    Post by Sasami Mon Jul 28, 2008 8:26 pm

    Tobi wrote:
    Meh, each of the pokemon aren't that bad, but at the same time they do nothing for each other.

    Interestingly enough, Parky's right on this. A team of Pokemon should work together as, well, a team :p. Even if you fix their movesets, you still just have six individual Pokemon. There should be a reason that you picked Pokemon A over Pokemon B.

    It might help you to pick a couple of Pokemon and build the rest of the team around them. Find out what counters those Pokemon and what they can't beat...make sure the other Pokemon can handle those threats. Have the Pokemon cover each other's weaknesses. A good example of this is the popular Celebi+Heatran combo. Celebi resists all of Heatran's weaknesses while Heatran resists or is immune to all of Celebi's.
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    Post by Guest Tue Jul 29, 2008 12:19 pm

    ok... but!
    Swellow counters Aggron's ground type weakness while swellow also counters froslass's ghost type weakness and dark. Gliscor for swellow's rock and electric type weaknesses. Flareon counters Gliscor's ice type weakness and lucario is just a good special sweeper.
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    Post by Zenith Tue Jul 29, 2008 12:32 pm

    But they don't work well as a team.

    Take my standard team for example. The central idea of my team is to set up Gardevoir or Gallade for a sweep. Thus, I chose other Pokemon that has high Defense and crippling attacks.
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    Post by Tobi Tue Jul 29, 2008 1:48 pm

    or me.

    I use all sweepers, with only one or two that have a not shit def.

    It workes out SOMEHOW.
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    Post by Shine Tue Jul 29, 2008 1:53 pm

    M(S)Link wrote:ok... but!
    Swellow counters Aggron's ground type weakness while swellow also counters froslass's ghost type weakness and dark. Gliscor for swellow's rock and electric type weaknesses. Flareon counters Gliscor's ice type weakness and lucario is just a good special sweeper.
    Who's to say that Swellow can deal with whatever's hitting Aggron or Flareon though? Froslass, Gliscor, and Lucario are your most worthwhile Pokemon here for the attacks they resist or are immune to. Flareon can be thrown in there to eat up Fire attacks against Froslass and Lucario.

    Swellow and Aggron are the weakest links for being fragile. Swellow has better physical sweeping potential anyway.

    Aggron must go.

    Also, you have no resistance for Water attacks, and because Froslass, Swellow, and Flareon are so damn fragile, I would definitely add a spinner. Blastoise resists Water, learns Rapid Spin, learns EQ, gets a priority attack in Aqua Jet, and has relatively good defenses... Huh. It can also Yawn, Haze, Fake Out, Waterfall, Rock Slide, Avalanche, Toxic, Roar, Focus Punch, Aqua Tail... Sounds good to me.

    Blastoise @Leftovers
    -Rapid Spin
    -Aqua Jet
    -Earthquake
    -Roar/Haze
    Torrent, Brave
    252 HP, 252 Atk, 6 Def

    Spinner that resists Fire, Water, Ice, and Steel attacks. It'd be smart to change the nature and EVs up for a more defensive Pokemon (particularly Sp.Def since Gliscor's already good with Def), but I figure you'll want to attack more, and it's always smart to have something that can Haze or PHaze. Blastoise is weak v. Grass and Electric attacks, but Gliscor's immune to Electric, and both Swellow and Lucario resist Grass already. Alternatively, there's the incredible...

    Forrestress @Leftovers
    -Spikes/Protect
    -Stealth Rock
    -Explosion
    -Rapid Spin
    Sturdy, Impish/Relaxed
    252 HP, 162 Atk, 96 Def

    TONS of resistances; TEN out of SEVENTEEN types. His only weakness is Fire, but you can scout for Fire attacks with Protect, and switch Flareon into them if you think they're gonna try it again. That, or you can sacrifice a little life-saving scouting potential to lay down a layer of Spikes, although at least Stealth Rock hits EVERYTHING. You also get a Rapid Spinner in Forretress. Good opener. Start the game laying down Stealth Rock or Protecting, and then BoomBoom, or wait till you see more of their team and pick out the threat.

    Other than Aggron, everyone else seems doable to me. Also, P.S., go with Forretress. Razz
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    Post by Tobi Tue Jul 29, 2008 1:55 pm

    I like aggron.

    When it's shiny, it looks SO fucking cool.

    And the def.

    Can't forget the def.
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    Post by Shine Tue Jul 29, 2008 2:09 pm

    Tobi wrote:I like aggron.

    When it's shiny, it looks SO fucking cool.

    And the def.

    Can't forget the def.
    That Def won't let it survive an EQ or a Cross Chop. If Aggron's forced to switch, then it has been countered. A LOT of things learn EQ.
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    Post by Tobi Tue Jul 29, 2008 2:38 pm

    The def's base is 180.

    Thats rather HIGH.
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    Post by Zenith Tue Jul 29, 2008 2:59 pm

    It still won't live.

    And Earth Power will completely slaughter it.

    Aggron is just awful.
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    Post by Tobi Tue Jul 29, 2008 3:08 pm

    ....ah.

    I see your point.
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    Post by Guest Tue Jul 29, 2008 4:10 pm

    ok sooo some one make a team i can use by having these games;
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    Post by Shine Tue Jul 29, 2008 4:23 pm

    M(S)Link wrote:ok sooo some one make a team i can use by having these games;
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    There are tons of teams you could make... The one you just posted COULD work with revision, most especially replacing Aggron. If you want someone to make a team for you, go to Smogon. You'll almost assuredly come out with Garchomp, Weavile, Skarmory, Blissey, Gengar, and Togekiss, though.
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    Post by Tobi Tue Jul 29, 2008 4:39 pm

    Wait.

    You get them to make you entire teams?

    I shall go there.

    But ya, use thosos 6 pokemon, do everything smogon says, and everythings good.

    You will not suck, but none of us will respect you.

    And by that, i mean respect you even less. eh.
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    Post by Shine Tue Jul 29, 2008 4:43 pm

    Tobi wrote:Wait.

    You get them to make you entire teams?

    I shall go there.

    But ya, use thosos 6 pokemon, do everything smogon says, and everythings good.

    You will not suck, but none of us will respect you.

    And by that, i mean respect you even less. eh.
    That's true. If you DO ask around the Smogon forums for teams, Hero, none of us will have any respect for you. Like Tobi said, you won't suck anymore, but you will be using overdone, pre-made teams that everyone and their brother uses there at Smogon. I recommend you just use your head a little and make your own. The team that I edited should work all right, except for replacing Aggron with Forretress, because Aggron does nothing for your team.
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    Post by Tobi Tue Jul 29, 2008 4:45 pm

    Other then sandstorm, and he does have a rather high att.

    But meh, you could do what zack does.

    Use almost that team, but change like 1 or 2 pokemon.

    See zack? I told you there was a reason no one respected you.

    Also, use machamp instead of....that other guts pokemon.

    It's just BETTER.
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    Post by Shine Tue Jul 29, 2008 4:52 pm

    Tobi wrote:Other then sandstorm, and he does have a rather high att.

    But meh, you could do what zack does.

    Use almost that team, but change like 1 or 2 pokemon.

    See zack? I told you there was a reason no one respected you.

    Also, use machamp instead of....that other guts pokemon.

    It's just BETTER.
    Swellow pwns Machamp.
    Also, I respect Zack. =O
    And my edits to that team, ALONG WITH REPLACING AGGRON WITH FORRETRESS GOD DAMMIT, oughta make it work out all right.
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    Post by Zenith Tue Jul 29, 2008 5:19 pm

    Thing is is that if you use crazy NU Pokemon like Shine, you'll suck. If you use OUs, then you'll get flamed.

    The whole 'internet respect' thing is retarded anyway, use whatever Pokes you want...but try not to choose really sucky ones.

    Like Aggron.
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    Post by Sasami Tue Jul 29, 2008 7:02 pm

    Just needed to clarify something...

    Smogon has a RMT forum but they certainly won't make a team for you. Actually, a RMT topic like this would have been closed there *shrug*.

    My advice to anyone building a new team is to use whatever Pokemon fit the best...regardless of tier placement. If a Blissey seemed like it'd patch up all of your weaknesses and use all the necessary support moves then I would say to use one. On the other hand, don't be afraid to use UUs...on that same example team, maybe a Hypno would work better.

    Basically, just use whatever damn Pokemon you want. If someone complains because you're using something like Garchomp just ignore them. If Garchomp is winning you battles, use it.

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